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budget talks on republicans, president obama today wratcheted up pressure on boehner. >> nobody wants this done more than me. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cliff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans decide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nation's debt ceiling. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default again as part of a budget negotiioion, i will not play that game. >> republicans held their meeting with small business owners and denied they are trying to punt until next year. >> i'll be here. i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving the problem. >> they noted the president has not scheduled any meetings with g.o.p. leaders in weeks and not offered a counterproposal to boehner's plan fr
barack obama. charles: some republicans have done a pretty good job with spending as well. before i let you go, i want to ask about the controversy of freedom works. it is a kind of thing that the mainstream media has been talking about. you let freedom works and a half. give us a little insight into what happened. >> first of all, largely unrelated to the tea party movement. i left there because i had serious concerns about the ethical and moral behavior of the senior leadership. i don't particularly want to discuss that at length. i think you will be resolved. i am consoled by my certain knowledge that time will heal all wounds and this will be all sorted out. but it has nothing to do with with john boehner's misguided sense, his colleagues, all of who were elected as republicans on the republican ticket. or the notion that people have been dreaming about since 2009, that the tea party will dry up. tea party activists are people who have a long standing commitment to ideals. charles: we appreciate your help. dick armey, thank you for coming on. kiersten powers joins us now. is that go
opinion supports his position, and public opinion will support obama over the republicans if we go over the cliff, he will go over the cliff rather than take a bad deal. and making sure that tax rates on wealthiest go up is a big part of that deal. >> he ran on half of tax increases proposing, he ran on a planned approach, i'm sorry this is politics, and he should admit it. lou: another thing that bears admission that this president saying it was not about economics, to have that right to work law go into effect in michigan, he said it was about politics, i tried to demonstrate how it is both and about power, right-to-work looks to be a very serious challenge to democratic power, with 24 right-to-work states. >> absolutely. a big nasda challenge. where does the money come from if you don't have unions giving it to you. >> indiana, gained 14,000 manufacturing jobs, this is politics, it also about getting jobs back, otherwise -- -- lou: we'll have to leave it there thank you very much. >> thank
and speaker have taken no concrete steps to resolve the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama remains insistent that republicans yields to his ultimatum that he be allowed to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year. republicans for their part insist that the president gets serious about cutting spending in order to reduce trillion dollar deficits and a national debt that is now mind-boggling league not -- monotonous. house minority leader disagrees vehemently with the speaker on how to reduce deficits and debt. today she offered a paradoxical statement on fiscal policy that would make both casey stiegel and yogi berra proud. the nation now just 24 days away from $600 billion of spending cuts and tax increases that will automatically kicked in. and pelosi has some wise words for washington. please listen terror. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking. christmas is coming. the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america it is very, very lean times. you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. lou: that's right. pelosi says we cannot get our way to defic
of public opinion. weird 3-d republicans cannot get wobbll. >> disses obama's ultimatum why can't they say you decide? >> >> then the republicans will fight another day on the spending cuts. the president knows said the deal is retroactive so this can go away with the flick of a pen. lou: a few weeks to go? i confuse christmas and the fiscal cliff. [laughter] >> i think the president wins no matter what. lou: you could have saved me..3 [laughter] if the president does what you what he will blame the republicans. >> what we wanted him to do is a deal. >> but he also wins. lou: take the boehner play and or the obama plan as we enter stand it it doesn't make a difference over the next decade where we were with the national debt. it is about 20.$5 trillion. it is beyond ignorance to talk about spending cuts when they alk about reducing the rate of spending. >> will not be partisan. [laughter] democrats have shown no interest to cut entitlements >> 40% of the better budget going to entitlements and democrats not putting this on the table and not being serious. lou: to repeat it neither boehner
with this obama white house. lou: and are you and i in agreement that the republicans are not in nearly sufficiently strong position, not with the lack of talent, there are some questions about that, but because of the lack f power of the leaders in the house and the role of the house in this negotiation. >> i am not prepared to ay that. i go up to the capitol every week and meet with the republican leaders and listen to them as they talked very openly about what their views are and what they're trying to get done. and i can tell you that they are a lot stronger than they have been presented by the conservative media. the interesting thing about the speaker is to make you look carefully at his proposals, he is never implying that he would increase tax rates. and yet the mentioned the breitbart comments. and that is really not accurate. lou: you know, as a former -- as a distinguished chairman of the house ways and means committee i think you and i would agree, revenue will be taxed, whether it is eliminating loopholes, whether it is eliminating special treatment, or whether it is rais
fellow eric trager, and president obama back on the campaign trail continuing to successfully dress up his ultimatum on higher taxes as a republican decision rather than his own declaration. his staff organized a sit-down with a middle class family today in virginia claiming congress is to blame p they fail to yield to his ultimatum. why is the mainstream liberal media ignoring the reality it's the president's ultimatum driving us to the fiscal cliff? chris and senior writer for the weekly standard, steven hayes the guests here tonight. we begin with the dictator trying to maintain command of the country using chemical weapons as a deterrent. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen has the latest for us in this report. >> a regime helicopter captured in the skies in syria in a video unloads something, most likely, a defensive flair to detour antirebel runners, but that epitomizes the fear of which the serian people now live. rebel forces taking the flight to the assad regime inside the capital with a deadly explosion in the arab red crescent building outside the city. >> it
they are saying is that obama will have to give more, than entitleme cuts and spending cuts and republicans might have to acquiesce to tax hikes. lou: what is the republican party coming, monica used expression pitical party suicide, i don't know if that drastic but there is a defeatism i find astonishing. >> they hope to stan strong together in one message, we need a warrior that is why i'm delighted that jim demint is leaving and going to the heritage foundation, we don't have a clear champion on our issue, senator rubio does a great job but we need more out there jan the kuh cuban guy from florida. lou: i tell you, right now, i may be insulting a lot of people, but he is the most ex fisk communicate or -- effective communicate or the replican party has but he is not talking about the fiscal cliff. >> he said we have to did is not create new taxes but new tax payers, not make the richer poer but the poorer richer. lou: that is a great slogan. >> you have to create policy, we're 25 days away from the fiscal cliff. >> to your original question about lack of energy and coi he had on the republican
. by the way, the same republicans who ran a campaign with president obama cutting $716 billion out of medicare, all the sudden want tremendous cuts in medicare. i think we'll get a deal. we have to. i think the president understands that. neil: i know we have to, but we've been this way before. here's my worry, that a bad deal could be worse than no deal. a bad deal, let's say there's cuts, and i don't envision many, your comment, though, withstanding, because i don't see the resolve for it because even slowing growth in a program is opposed by unions, the congressional black caucus, 101 democratic congressmen, when it comes to social security, whether that should or shouldn't be part of the discussion is going to remain as a zeal to raise taxes over cutting spending. that's what worries me. >> well, you know, neil, i sit here in the financial markets, and so my concern all the time is protecting and preserving individuals and corporations' wealth. i look at this, how does it affect the market, and to your point about if this is a bad deal, where there's, you know, no spending cuts, increase i
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. president obama continue its push his ultimatum on higher taxes for wealthy, and republican leaders responding by warning their members to be prepared for christmas in washington because of the stalemate. and joining us now, congressman devon nunez, a member of house aways and means committee. speaker saying they are separated by serious gaps here, what are your thoughts? >> i came on this show two weeks ago, i told you then that president wanted to go cliff diving, that is what he wants to do. he is not serious about getting a deal, if he was so serious, he would not have met with john boehner sunday morning then go out 24 hours later on a campaign stop to michigan railing about some middle class tax hike jarg onljargon he is using. he wants to go off the cliff,. lou: looking at that number. newest fox poll released a couple hours ago, that polls poe 5-- say 57% say that best way to deal with budget is with dedictions, and then, what we're seeing in these numbers is, if not direct support for the speaker, certainly enough support for the speaker and position on spending cuts that h
' more money, and they want republicans to vote to pay for obama's welfare state, we did not vote for it. neil: you would not -- you would not support a hike in taxes in anyway shape or form? >> no but we will get more revenue if we reform our tax code and a pro-growth way, 3/10 of 1% will generate more revenue than what president obama is taxing about what he says tax the rich, his proposal does not add a drop in the buckie on the our problem. this is not a plan or a solution, this is a political trophy, to the left. and republicans should not go along with it. neil: you know, senator, a pleasure knowing you, i always gauge viewer interest in a particular personalty, or senator or congressman from number of e-mails i get, it is not a quid pro quo but this is a good barometer, i get a ton you on every time, whether, fox news or fox business, that leads me to believe, a lot of folks really like you, it can't just be your family e-mailing me, which makes me think there is a presidential candidate in the making, what do you say? >> i told ed folder of heritage foundation 4 years okay when p
-mail at gerri@foxbusiness.com. >>> coming up on "the willis report," house speaker boehner and the republican accusing president obama of kicking the can down the road. >> t longer they slow down the process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> two .o.p. lawmakers here to share their reactions next. can china take over america? is it already happening under our noses? why one author says absolutely, s. also, ford motor company under fire for misleading customers. it's enough to make your blood boil. we'll weigh in on the hybrids' possible false advertising. possible false advertising. we're on the case next on " twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes invement objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefu
and the republican accusing president obama of kicking the can down the road. >> the longer they slow down the process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> two g.o.p. lawmakers here to share their reactions next. can china take over america? is it already happening under our noses? why one author says absolutely, yes. also, ford motor company under fire for misleading customers. it's enough to make your blood boil. we'll weigh in on the hybrids' possible false advertising. we're on the case next on "the willis report." tracy: speaker boehner warning the white house to be serious to call cliff, and the majority leader throwing in the towel saying it's difficult to reach a deal by christmas. crazy. with more, senator barrasso from wyoming. do you have any idea what's in the counteroffer? >> i don't have the final details on that, tracy. we have to avert the fiscal cliff. my concern is it drives us into recession, knocks up employment up, and i agree with you, we have to ensure more people have more of their own money in the pockets to decide what to save, spend, what to inves
this and get away from the debt ceiling thing it gets republicans off the hook. from obama's perspective leting a deal not hpen and falling over the cliff, all the polls show republicans will get blamed for that. why would he want to avoid that? melissa: jonathan, are there obvious inflationary problems on this? someone followi us on twitter says you will need it to buy a loaf of bread soon. what do you think? >> this is one ounce platinum coin. you can put any value that i want but has real value of $1600 a ounce. if they think this plan works you have to be in the chain gang or belief in the tooth fairy. it is delusional on its face. reality exists. it can't be conned. ashe panel points out this is explicit inflationary you would ne 1.2 billion actual platinum coins to make 2 trillion dollars in wealth. can't happen. melissa: we did a little math. if you were trying to do it the real way you would need 78 million pounds of raw platinum in order to get this done. what else weighs 78 million pounds? let's take a look. 7800 african elephants or 15,600 for f-150 picps. we could have 312 million q
the cliff, and everybody's taxes will be raise. i think president obama is less frigened of going over the cliff tha the republicans are, that is why the republicans are making all concessioos. i tell you, if we go over the cliff, here is what he wouldo, sa okay, now, everyone's tax have been raised, it happened because the republicans wanted stand by their fat cat friends, while i tell you, what their taxes will stay where they are increased and i have a tax cut f 98% of aricans that will send up to the hill a seen as congress gets back here, we restore the bush tax cuts for middle class and workin work cst the rich are paying their fair share, and i think that country will applaud. neil: you think he comes out a hero, that is why republicans fear if that scenario they lose. >> they are i a lose-se situatio onl thing obama has to fear is, if he plays it hardball, and takes us over tha@ cliff,n play the savior beyond the cliff. its possible that we could have a real downturn, a real recessn. and a real problem in the economy,nhich case, barac obama will not escape the historic reputati
or no deal. yeah, the line has been drawn again. president obama says america is poised to take off, but only if the republicans agree to tax the rich directly. he will only accept higher tax rates. how will speaker boehner respond to that? he speaks within the hour. and how about this, top anchors at a news network visit the white house for a cozy chat with the president. tell us, mr. president, how can we sell your tax the rich policy? citigroup, 11,000 jobs gone. "varney & company" about to begin. having you shipy gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ me announcer ] break from e holiday stress fedex office. >> we'll begin with sad news. dame elizabeth mother of news corporation chairman and chief executive rupert murdoch died at age 103. news point company fox. now sad news. and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you
. at is of the whte house is leveling the republican unteroffer to avert the fiscal iff. president obama try this and saying there is no deal without tax hikes on the ridg with more on this,republican congresswoman dianne black of tennessee. welcome to the show. great to have you. i have to askyou aout this story that has been reaking this atrnoon. apparently the president will meet with what they're calling progressive tlk-sw hst i think this is a lot of tlent. it will parade through the white house. the president will sit down with them. are u getting the sense here that maybe the president is meeting with a few too many ople? should we stet the job on the fiscal cliff? >> i could not agree more. felt verydiscouraged the presidet this been more time c campaning thathe did of the begiing of his campaign. we need to have serious negotiations. we need our leaders, and the president was elected by the people. he needs to sit down now and the leader along with ourleaer, the speaker, and talk seriously about these plans. gerri: small busess, big business. the governor. who is lef for t predent
on everything, but republicans feed into what the media is telling america -- >> wait a minute, i want to understand. you are saying then for pr purposes, they should give into obama on the tax rate. >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am -- >> you're saying obama, who is -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. gerri: what do you think of this? as a strategy, maybe it's the right thing? acknowledge that the american people voted for the president, put him back in office. it's all on you. >> well, it's simple, i think. republicans are cognizant of what the people said. the plan they put out raises revenue on rich people. they are asking for the president to give a response including both tax proposals and the spending proposals that are necessary to make the plan be balanced, and they'll negotiate from there, from the second day after the election, speaker boehner said we hear the american people, they want washington to work, that means compromise, leadership, but, you know, we're not seeing all the pieces yet. gerri: what do you think of the idea of s
republicans fear, if that scenario they lose. >> they are in a lose-lose situation, only thing obama has to fear is, if he plays it hardball, and takes us over tha@ cliff, on play the savior beyond the cliff. it is possible that we could have a real downturn, a real recession. and a real problem in the economy, in which case, barack obama will not escape the historic reputation of the democrats' herbert hoover. neil: no president invites a recession on his watch, assuming that is what happens if you get to this cliff. that is what happens. so, he must know, the white house must know, the president must know that is a very big gamble. >> it is. he realizes he is move immediately to restore tax cuts to 98%, secondly, he is not without pressure. he has his you mentioned them the black caucus, unions, liberals areesaying, look we didn't win this elect to go gut the programs medicare, and medicaid and social security, obamacare. >> you are right. there is zero appetite for that. but here is what worries me. i hope i am misreading polls and numbers, a lot saying go after the rich. very little
heard from speaker john boehner. we heard from president obama also. we now have a republican from utah joining the discussion. i want to ask you here, and the time we have, what is going on inside of your party. speaker boehner is giving away too much, the tax hikes, 800 billion, only half of what president obama has on the table. still, too much for republicans to be in favor of. >> we want to solve the problem. i am proud of what speaker boehner is doing. there are 535 members in the house and the senate. we have to solve this problem. what i like about what speaker boehner is doing, he is at the table trying to get this done. connell: you are behind your speaker is basically what i am hearing. >> absolutely. he does not want to raise rates. we have to get serious. what i have not heard from the president any details on how he would actually cut spending. connell: say if the president were to come up and say i am going to cut into medicare, you know, i don't know if they double it, but they come up with a lot more in the medicare cuts, are you prepared to vote for tax increases, firs
in the white house with more. >> president obama said look, if republicans agree to my tax plan, we can get this deal done in a week.3 john boehner is waiting on the president, he says he's read hey to meet with the president at any time. we asked the president obama plan on calling the speaker or inviting the speaker to the white house and we haven't gotten a response. what is dumbing this all up is the tax rate increase. >> were not insisting on rates out of spite for any kind of partisan victory. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on wasteful spending in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you.
and president obama and john boehner spoke on the phone days after republicans offered a hundred billion dollars of tax revenue. republicans say they're waiting on a counteroffer from the white house. back to you. dennis: should republicans hold out and let us go over the fiscal click? john brown of euro pacific capital is with us and former adviser to british prime minister margaret thatcher and he joins us with his take. thanks for being with us. do you think we are going over the cliff? >> cliff of sorts. the fiscal cliff was created by politicians who lack the courage to do the best for the american people. and already has done severe damage to the economy. now we have democrats who want to suck money out of the economy in tax and we have rhino republicans in name only who wants spending cuts. both those things will do damag% to the economy and any compromise will damage the economy and push it further into deep recession. neither side discusses the real problem which is the enormous costs of big government. cost in money and regulations and intrusion. neither side discusses that because the
the fiscal cliff republicans and the president are out campaigning on their tax plans. president obama is in northern virginia meeting with a middle class family. republicans are speaking with small business owners. both say the other side's reluctance to relent on their positions will harm the economy. back to you. >> rich edson, i wish someone would take a limit away on my credit card. that would be nice. ashley: instead of campaigning they should be talking to each other and getting this thing done. when it comes to the market stocks are hanging on every word coming out of washington. we've seen it hourly if not by the minute. even with the wild moves our next guest says now is the good time to get into the market because going over the cliff has been priced in. joining us milton ms. rought at this, lord abbett chief market strategist. thanks for joining us. if it is priced in why are we seeing these gyrations with every statement coming out of washington? >> it is not entirely priced into the market. the market obviously would like to hear good news. it wants to hear some kind of a
. what is the very latest? rich: in a republican congressman with knowledge of the talks as the two side are farther apart than they were last summer when debt talks between president obama and john boehner fell apart. republicans and democrats have new debt proposals on the table. the speaker says there are still serious differences. >> the president is calling for $1.4 trillion -- that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> force is a question of balance. we are willing to make sure everyone in america sacrifices a little. even those who have been struggling. liz: congress is running out of time to get this wrapped for christmas. the speaker would have to cover significant ground giving congress the week it needs to write, sell land pass any deal next week. aides say they are not close to a compromise. house majority leader eric cantor says republicans are prepared to work on this on the way up to the new year. cheryl: so much for christmas eve in eric cantor's household. thank you very much. much of the dismay of unions, michigan governor rick snyder has given the final stamp of appr
. but there is it the guy who applied the pizza topping voted republican once. let's boycott it it cuts both ways. >> by the way morgan, it is not only olive garden but papa john. >> bad press is bad for business. the ceo came out and said obama care would lead to 14 cents more per pie and one of our reporters did the math metics and found it was four cents a pie . since then. since then, the ceo back tracked and it makes the company look silly and greed. we are seeing tt blow back. >> but the president said it was not going to cost a dime but aparently it is. >> hold on, rick. >> guys, with all due respect everyone of you missing the point. people are not angry about what they are saying, they are angry about what the ceo's are doing. was not saying we lost money because we said the wrong their customersot upset they were trying to take out their corporate responsibility by hurting the workers. customers are working people in this country. we'll not let themet away with it. >> working people working for the companies that are wried about their jobs because of the tax implications of obama care.
boehner at the white house, president obama extended a little olive branch in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and had some common western democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> the white house would not disclose any details of the meeting with the president and the speaker yesterday. both sides confirming communications are open. speaker john boehner saying discussions are taking place. liz: maybe the fact they're keeping quiet may mean something is really going to happen. keep dreaming. >> does politics have to watch out what is happening in silicon valley. apple and google compete on so many different rounds. but they're actually coming together to co-compete on a bid for the patents that kodak holds. 1100 patents, half a billion dollars. they realize instead of sitting across from each other playing and outbidding one another, we will work together and co-compete for these and work together to g
it expressing their frustration and how it is going to alienate that state's republican governor from unions. wisconsin ring a bell? a top fundraiser for president obama helped him get re-elected on how that's affecting this entire mood and tone, even here in washington for maybe years out after this. ♪ neil: michigan en route to be another wednesday? could be just as devicive and could be the 24 #th right to work state, but that created enormous tensions prompting the president the united states to visit saying he's against this measure that governor rick snyder supports, and both branches of republican legislature have already passed. that is to give workers the choice whether they want to be a union or not. union members say it is not that simple, that this is really a trojan horse for dismantling them. don, the adviser to the president of the united states had a big fundraiser for the president helping get him re-elected. don, you're an entrepreneur, a business guy, knows a i think thing a two about how businesses succeed and thrive and pass that along to the president. business guys s
. then republicans will have a little more leverage. >> there's a hardening on the republican side. we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. we're not going to let obama borrow any more money or any american congress borrow any more money until we fix this country from becoming greece, and that requires significant entitlement reform. >> reporter: for the record, senator graham is not one of those who favors increasing tax rates on the wealthy. he favors more revenue from them by capping deductions. cheryl and dennis. dennis: thanks very much, peter barnes. and our next guest says many republicans in private are conceding they may have to give president obama much of what he wants. we are joined by potomac research group political strategist, greg vallier. so do you think president obama will win a twofer; higher tax rates on the rich and deduction caps to get the rich to pay more as well? >> maybe. it's moving in that direction. i think peter barnes in the previous piece got it exactly right. i think the republicans in private, dennis, are beginning to say let's cut a deal on this, we'll come ba
is probably. >> brenda. >> between positive 11, positive 12 swing. everyone keeps talking how the obama plan isn't going to work and it isn't going to work and the data seems to show the difference, which is to president clinton'point if you want to live like a republican, vote for a democrat, they'll give you better economics. >> brenda: gary b, go ahead. give your best. >> well, you know, julian's very good at raising the straw man. i don't recall everyone saying the market was going to tank if obama was reelected. to sate that oh, it didn't tank, that's kind of silly. the other thing, every time the tax rate habeenried to stick it to the rich. 91% tax rates during fdr years and failed misably and they've gone bacand ended up lowering the rate. it's such a good idea and look for historical examples where it worked. it hasn't worked. if julian wants so much the clinton tax rates, that's fine, i'll go along with that if we had the clinton era vernment spending which we don't. >> brenda: okay. all right, we've got to go. thanks, guys. so, see this? last year, it was a union uproar in wisconsi
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